tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6315333410007118561.post335304413569750765..comments2024-03-15T00:52:20.774-07:00Comments on The Dragon's Orb: Shaving off time and spaceErik the Strangehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14719361294346916751noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6315333410007118561.post-90510401037102698662011-01-05T13:10:52.382-08:002011-01-05T13:10:52.382-08:00I was never trained in the ideas behind the 23. I...I was never trained in the ideas behind the 23. It looks like there is some valid ideas, but I see it perhaps like you -an advanced study after the important stuff is down pat. More than anything it does not express my interest or personality. I was a bit turned off by it when I counted 16 steps in the execution of a particular technique. I am way too lazy for that. More power to those who like it though!Erik the Strangehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14719361294346916751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6315333410007118561.post-91694774686505914562011-01-05T08:34:47.185-08:002011-01-05T08:34:47.185-08:00Eric: Interesting observation on your part. This...Eric: Interesting observation on your part. This is one prime reason as to why I've always stuck to the original 17 Attack Movements and view the expanded 23/24 as being less effective in teaching the concept of "instant victory" and as few steps as possible. It clouds the issue, contains too much movement over too long a time span and fail to decisively take kuzushi soon enough.<br /><br />We explore the "expanded" 23/24 (Ki Hara) at very advanced Yudansha levels (at least Sandan to Yonda) only after internalizing the 17 and hand randori. In order to teach a "clean" picture we keep all beginners for a long time locked into the 17/fewer steps/sooner kuzushi/faster termination idea.<br /><br />I have street officers who believe the same as I and apparently as JW. <br /><br />Just a thought for you.L.F. Wilkinsonhttp://www.aikibudo-aikido.comnoreply@blogger.com