tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6315333410007118561.post5897625971889970928..comments2024-03-15T00:52:20.774-07:00Comments on The Dragon's Orb: Basics are too advanced!Erik the Strangehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14719361294346916751noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6315333410007118561.post-77914369396223809442009-05-07T19:44:00.000-07:002009-05-07T19:44:00.000-07:00Hmmmm... Stuff to think on...Hmmmm... Stuff to think on...Patrick Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04471858995477729220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6315333410007118561.post-46902510911128821322009-05-06T10:46:00.000-07:002009-05-06T10:46:00.000-07:00in my experience, in a real conflict you just all...in my experience, in a real conflict you just allow internalization of training (the unconscious) to solve the problem at hand with out reflection, desire, descision -- survival as a goal in the midst of the struggle is an abstraction. on this level even the desire to cling to life is "extra" and anything extra is a distraction from moment to moment the matter at handnick lowryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07093111955200181422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6315333410007118561.post-69075560212345357022009-05-01T06:15:00.000-07:002009-05-01T06:15:00.000-07:00I understand what you guys are saying - sorta - I ...I understand what you guys are saying - sorta - I think. But maybe not...<br /><br />In a conflict, you want to survive. That is human nature and it is a goal, or a desire. Not only that, but it is probably not a desire that you want to rid yourself of.<br /><br />Going further, you want to remain standing, stay in motion, etc... to the extent possible, or if forced to the ground you prefer to fall safely rather than reflex a hand toward the ground and land on it...<br /><br />Sure, I agree that you have to avoid getting bogged down in winning, scoring more points, looking cool, showing the bad guy up, punishing, etc... because that sort of goal screws up both your performance and your soul.<br /><br />But even if it were possible to transcend what Nick called 'good goals', why would that be a good thing, to transcend a desire to survive a conflict (for instance)Patrick Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04471858995477729220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6315333410007118561.post-16139462948166878732009-04-28T20:42:00.000-07:002009-04-28T20:42:00.000-07:00i beg to differ with Pat-- desires and goals whil...i beg to differ with Pat-- desires and goals while typical are certainly not necessary nor are they inescapable "human nature" (though I also agree with Pat that some goals serve our purposes better than others-ultimately even good goals and desires fall away) <br /> The Seeking mind can only carry us so far and then comes a time for the non-seeking mind-- the non-dual<br /><br /> in budo training and in life i find goalessness a pretty important place to inhabit<br /><br />sounds like Eric is awakening his Zen mind <br /><br />transcending victory and defeat, being swayed by neither fear or desire, remaining open on all sides and riding the energy-- mushin mugamae all the way-- well put Ericnick lowryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07093111955200181422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6315333410007118561.post-75634080821305724102009-04-27T23:16:00.000-07:002009-04-27T23:16:00.000-07:00If one expects victory, one becomes overconfident ...If one expects victory, one becomes overconfident and loses. If one expects defeat, one shall be too worried, and defeat is ultimately the result.<br /><br />When one is tested in a formal manner, they have only two options: Succeed, or fail. Thus, they view their options, forgetting that their minds must be focused on what they are doing constantly.<br /><br />So how does one concentrate on the task at hand in order to succeed? By not concentrating. Avoid success or failure by achieving neither, and focus by losing focus.<br /><br />If that makes any sense to you ^_^Brendan_Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13484566629461454934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6315333410007118561.post-65684130995224314912009-04-27T17:48:00.000-07:002009-04-27T17:48:00.000-07:00A Judo man much wiser than me once said, "The...A Judo man much wiser than me once said, "There's nothing more advanced than the basics." You've outlined several key elements for practice. Everybody should take note, because most of us can take a lesson and genuinely try to implement exactly what you're talking about.<br /><br />Demonstrations (tests) are a neat tool for stimulating the adrenaline response systems of the body. The scariest demo I've ever done was for yonkyu (green). It was the first promotion, and I'd much rather demonstrate all of Koryu Dai San and half of Koryu Dai Yon (San Kata & Yon Kata; material for Sandan rank demonstration) with full formalities and all the optional techniques than do my green belt demo again. It was purely petrifying.<br /><br />I used to shoot IPSC -- action/combat shooting years and years ago. When I tried to shoot my best stage regardless of everyone else, I placed pretty well. But if I started trying to go faster to beat guys who were far better than I was.... well, it just didn't work out. If I didn't try to win I could usually keep pace with them. <br /><br />I agree that shifting play into ikioi demands a change in mindset. Genuinely not caring about an outcome, with respect to win/lose, is paramount. One of my Aikido buddies in Arkansas has a note on his board stating, "Abandon the concept of win/lose. If you cannot, practice losing more." Only by transcending our desires and the win/lose mentality can you have real aiki.<br /><br />Surfing the energy is a nice way to describe aiki. It's following motion, and to do that you must be sensitive to your partner. Follow them in principle, and you've done it.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09922845803047584800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6315333410007118561.post-87964741453252290092009-04-27T16:53:00.000-07:002009-04-27T16:53:00.000-07:00Hmmm...
good ideas you have there. I think you ...Hmmm... <br /><br />good ideas you have there. I think you are on the right track...<br /><br />But it seems to me like "to no longer desire a goal in an encounter" is against human nature.<br /><br />You have to have goals/desires. Or perhaps I should say, I don't think you can avoid goalsetting. What is important is to get your goals set right. (and you have to do that beforehand, before the conflict makes you crazy)<br /><br />For instance, it is futile to set a goal to...<br />- punish the bad guy for attacking you<br />- try to literally "throw" something person-sized<br />- try to control uke's response to your technique - as in, "you have to fall this way for my technique to succeed"<br /><br />better, more reasonable goals would be things like...<br />- try to evade at ma-ai and push yourself off of uke to get back outside ma-ai<br />- try to stay upright by keeping your feet in motion under you.<br />- try to bounce off of uke using unbendable arms to interact with him.<br /><br />I think we're probably saying about the same thing, just different ways.Patrick Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04471858995477729220noreply@blogger.com